Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 11:25 am Post subject: KC
To reply to Izzy. The cuurent thinking at the KC (only at present) is that if they impose more restriction it may force some breeders underground and have a split of breeders were at the moment they can at least hope to advise and educate trying to 'gently' push in the right direction rather than shove. This may change in the future but I think they are wary of a US situation with several kennel organisations doing their own thing. Testing figure are improving not brilliant but as people are more aware they are using the facilities open to them, and there may be more ways to skin a cat as it tends to be puppy farmers ect who are more unscrupulous.
Jo
Di not sure If I didnt explain it too well I was trying to stress the importance is of a good sound dog any colour is the best, colour may be a consideration if you want to breed a particular one
Denise, actually (whispers) I think its sensible to finally not register anything but yellow from yellow x yellow. Basically because its a genetic impossibility to produce anything else BUT yellow, it shows a mismating has occured if anything other than yellow was produced.... so it IS about time the KC picked up on that.
In my view
Di
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Jo sorry, ranting not at you but at the idea in general that yellow x chocolate or BYC to chocolate may produce light chocolate because there is yellow in there
Apologies if it came over was hammering you for some misunderstood point.
Other examples. perefectly acceptable shades of yellow and chocolate coming out of Oakhuse but they often run the two gene pools into one another even if they do not directly often go yellow x chocolate.
Stormley have a lot of yellow behind a lot of their dogs of BC and C.
And so on.... just want to stress how important it is that old wives tale is left behind.
Di
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Actually, whilst in general agree any opening up of a gene pool is good... I'm not sure the excellent quality yellow gene pool really needs the very limited supply of decent and Optigen Clear chocolate dogs in the Uk right now to improve it. Quite possibly the other way round might work... and there are several of the most influential yellow kennels with chocolate behind one or two of their dogs such as Rocheby (Old Smokey), Cremino, Oakhouse to name a tiny few.
But I think its more important that we stop thinking BYC is a problem when its not
Di
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Denise, actually (whispers) I think its sensible to finally not register anything but yellow from yellow x yellow. Basically because its a genetic impossibility to produce anything else BUT yellow, it shows a mismating has occured if anything other than yellow was produced.... so it IS about time the KC picked up on that.
In my view
Di
Do you know? I was thinking about this all morning ( I answered in a hurry earlier!) and was thinking that actually Y to Y should always produce yellow........didn't have time to check & adjust my post an hr ago, as I had to rush off and collect Jess from GCSE results!
But I still think they shouldn't register pups from untested parents
I would be hesitant to use a BYC on my C girls, but mainly because of what I'd like future generations to carry...........however, if the BYC was absolutely perfect in every way and there was nothing to match it, I would do that combination and DNA test the coat colour of the most promising pups..........
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:19 pm Post subject: Yellow + Choc - Am I going Mad?
Hi Di,
Sorry if I didnt put it well, I meant use good yellows to increase the gene pool for chocs (in a couple of generations). I agree that old wives tales should be laid to rest regarding breeding back to black and yellows affecting pigment. There is a very interesting article in one of the Labrador International Newsletters, where several chocolate breeders are asked similar questions. It makes for a very interesting read!
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:35 pm Post subject: Choc
Hi Trace
Do you know which issue it was in . On the Newsletter subject has anyone seen a recent copy the last one I got from Penny Carpanini was probably almost a year ago ?? I must get around to doing a regular subscription.
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 12:40 pm Post subject: Yellow
Di
I think I meant that the old wives tales as regarding colour 'depth' for want of a better description has no basis in truth it has never been tested it is just that ..... word of mouth.
I know what I mean its just sometimes (well quite often) my brain and gob dont engage or even fingers when typing
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2007 1:49 pm Post subject: Yellow + Choc - Am I going Mad?
Hi Jo,
It was in issue 18. I know Penny Carpanini has a few back issues of the later issues, if you ring her I am sure she could check for you. I am not sure if the ILN is still being produced, I havent seen one since Crufts last year.
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