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PostPosted: Fri Aug 10, 2007 3:28 pm    Post subject:  KC registered, Pedigree and Pure Breed ....What do they mean Reply with quote Scroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of PageTweet This Post

I think we have a lot of confusion over the terms, with people asking about 'back' tracing pedigrees or blood lines of unregistered dogs.

Am I right in assuming you do NOT have a pedigree dog if its antecedents cannot be verified for , say, 3 generations and that these antecedents have to have been registered by an appropriate body, i.e. in the UK , The Kennel Club.

If your dog has been breed from unregistered sire and dam, it CAN be a pure breed Labrador but not a pedigree?

OR is it more complicated than that ????

Help???? Come on Di, I need your expertise. Laughing

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How I see it, if you have no papers for either parent you cant say that your Lab is either purebred or pedigree. I could be wrong though.
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Sonia wrote:
How I see it, if you have no papers for either parent you cant say that your Lab is either purebred or pedigree. I could be wrong though.


my dog has a registered sire but mum not registred, with 5 generations all registered, so is she not a pedigree or purebred?
i assumed she was as have checked with the kc to her parentage and all is verified by them?

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Like I said, I am not sure, but I thought for your pup to be KC reg, both parents had to be KC reg. Hopefully someone can clear that up for you.
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That is why I asked the question.

Are we using the terms inaccurately and are there strict definitions? It seems that pedigree and pure-bred seem to be use inter changeably, so what is a 'pedigree' dog???

Help!

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Unless your dog is registered there is no guarantee that it is pure breed it might just look like a labrador but in fact be a mixture of breeds. We have the following descriptions in France - the dog is "race" (pronounced rass) ie a pedigree dog that is registered with the appropriate Kennel Club or labrador "type" (pronounced teep) looks like one but may not actually be "race" as it's not registered! See, a free French lesson thrown in too! LOL! Wink Laughing

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An unregisterd dog "may" be pure bred but it would not have any means of proving it. There is no paper trail back. And if mated to a registered dog there will still never be a paper trail back.

As I said, it may well be pure bred, but you have to ask why it is not registered. Could it be that whatever the breeder is saying that they really are not sure who the sire is? Could it be that they have over bred the bitch so have not conformed with KC rules and breed club code of ethics? The same thing applies if the bitch was over or under the age limits. If their bitch is unregistered then the same questions apply, Why?

Whatever it is, there is a reason for the pups not being registered. I simply cannot believe that someone I dont know is trying to save me just £12, and by doing so themselves loose over £100, the difference between a registered and unregistered dog! That is just unbelieveable!

As to a pedigree dog. I look at that as a dog who does have that paper trail going back through many ancestors

Regards, John

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Could also the dam not be health tested - hence the lack of papers?
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Not really Sonia, health testing is not mandatory.

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Oh, didnt know that.
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