Posted: Wed Aug 08, 2007 10:52 am Post subject: puppies mum too old so not kc reg
Just wanted to get peoples views, I am supposed to be picking up a new puppy on sunday, (GR) the breeder has just phoned to tell me that the pups won't be kc reg as first advertised as Mum is 5 days older than the limit the kennel club sets for accepting pups from.
Is this irresponsible breedership, surely they should've known this, the breeder has been in the business for around 30 years, has the age been reduced recently for GR's, and does anybody know of any probable health problems from older dogs having litters. I think the current age limit is around 7 or 8 years old so Its not like the bitch is that old anyway.
Really don't know what to do, the breeder said they would knock £100 off the purchase price or I can have my deposit back, help I'm stuck!!
Kelly & Murray
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I think the age limit for bitches having pupsis around 7/8 and although that doesn`t seem old if you equate it to human years not many women would be having babies (modern methods aside).
Whether or not there`s likely to be any problems with the pups I don`t know, hopefully Di or someone in the know will see this and be able to advise.
Have all other health checks been done on the parents that are relevant for GR`s?.
If you wanting to show your pup in the future then it will need to KC registered in which case I`d take the deposit back and look again, hard though that will be.
If the breeder has been breeding for 30 years then she should surely have known the KC rules?
I'm sure the age limit is 8, which to me is quite old enough, I don't know if the pups would be effected from having an older mum, again i,m sure Di will be here to advice you.
As Mary said with out KC you can't show, but also you have no idea of parentage either.
Good luck with what ever you decide, does seem strange though that breeder has only just relised there would be a problem 5 days before you pick up your pup.
My instincts would tell me to stay clear I think.
the Kennel Club will not accept an application to register a litter when:
a) The bitch has already whelped six litters, or
b) The bitch was under a year old at the date of mating, or
c) The bitch has already reached the age of eight years at the date of whelping.
N.B. Relief from the last restriction may be considered if an application is received by the Kennel Club prior to mating and provided the dam has previously whelped at least one other registered litter, and the application is supported by veterinary evidence confirming the suitability of the bitch involved in the proposed whelping.
Personally something doesn't sound right with this litter and I'd give it a miss.
I didn't know there was a an upper age limit to breeding but think it is a good idea.
I think that you will have to weigh up the pros and cons, Kelly. If you want to show the pup you will have to get your deposit back and look elsewhere, if not, then if the parents have been health checked it should be OK. (If you want to do other activities, such as agility etc, you can register on the Working Register (or whatever it is called ).)
However, at the back of my mind, if you are in doubt, don't do it.
This rule has been in force now for quite a few years, so there is simply no excuse for a breeder of 30 years standing not knowing. If the bitch is not 8 years old then there is something wrong somewhere and the breeder is looking for an excuse.
As others have said, there is a "Rattie" smell around here, I'd look elsewhere.
I meant that I didn't think 7/8 yrs old was particularly old for bitches to stop breeding as I didn't know there was an upper age limit, for entering puppies on to the kc reg list. I do not know how old the bitch is, but hip and eye scores of both parents are good. I did not intend to show anyway, haven't got the time. I just wanted to make sure that there were no obvious health problems if a bitch is bred close to the 8 year mark.
I already have one dog with it problems (although touch wood nothing has gone wrong for him in the last 2 months) a fit and healthy 2nd dog would do nicely.
kelly & Murray
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Don't think there would be anything to suggest that the pup would be unhealthy if from an older Bitch.....................just very irresponsible of the breeder if she has as much experience as you say
This rule is for the well being of the bitch and is also enshrined in the code of ethics of the various Labrador Breed clubs. 8 years old is the limit, anything older is unethical. The breeder should have known that!
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