Amy, why don't you just Optigen test Holly yourself? Then you could have used whatever stud dog you liked (providing she tested clear). It's not a very expensive test, especially when you consider all the other tests involved in breeding.
I am absolutely not trying to be argumentative or offensive in any way here, so please don't take this the wrong way... just an inquiring mind wondering why, if you fell in love with a stud dog, you wouldn't just test your bitch so you could confidently use him.
The thing is, that agree that is one way forward but THEN you still need to test the offspring as you still have intriduced a total unknown if you are keeping something to them breed on from as the untested dog could be a Carrier or worse.
So many will not use an untested dog on their tested bitch because whilst its a step forward definately, it still leaves you needing to litter test if you want to know the status of those pups.
I would however of course encuarge anyone to test and Amy, I encourage you to test so you can open your choice of studs yes! Especially if it means you are happy to litter test and use an untested dog it opens your options.
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Sorry I galloped off my answer then realised yes, true enough, if Amy's bitch is untested then testing HER would put you on exactly the same footing as she would like from her message - desiring the dog to be tested... I was just meaning that its still a fag if one is untested because instead of Clear by parentage you have to test whatever you keep....
Sorry Amy and Ness, I wasn't thinking straight. Better test both, but yes, better one tested than neither by a long chalk (unlike HIPS and the normal eye certificate I hasten to add for any newbies reading! Then BOTH MUST be tested for any worth to be placed on the results).
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Oh yes Kyomii, PRA can develop quite early in life, or quite late. So a dog who is actually tested as affected could be on the road to developing it late in live but die relativly early from something like cancer so the condition would never make it's self known and never be picked up on the BVA/KC/ISDS test. This is one of the problems, because the fact that the dog actually is DNA affected means of course that at BEST all the puppies will be carriers, and at worst, affected themselves.
To be honest scubabe I do plan to get holly optigen tested, but it is unlikly to be done for the litter I plan to have for her season now. Holly is going on 4 and breeding is something that has been planned since i got her. She was hip scored at 18 months and eye tested yearly and since she was 2 each season i debated but it has only been right for us this coming time - and with her age it is now or never. I would advise anyone to optigen test and will do myself on future labs. Sandys dad is broadlaw elder of laggengill who is optigen tested clear so I could use him but decided on a different optigen clear sire.
i debated but it has only been right for us this coming time - and with her age it is now or never.
I was in a similar situation with Hally - dithering for the last couple of years on whether to breed her or not. The Optigen test though is so quick - from sending it off to getting the results back takes less than 2 weeks
I was using a Clear stud anyway - but it is nice now to have the confidence to say the whole litter are clear by parentage
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2007 9:07 pm Post subject: optigen
there are no one specific kennels or lines that have problems with pra ,its only the combinations of carrierx carrier and affected x carrier matings that produce any problems.even clear to carrier produces 50% carrier pups .
optigen is nothing to be scared of and needs to be used as a tool to avoid future problems, any dog irespective of the result can be bred from as long as one rule is followed, one dog sire or dam must be clear ,breeding in this way ensures no pups will be affected.
we cant rule out carriers from the breeding program as this will limit choice.
another fact is the results of a test should not be the reason to choose a potential stud ,optigen gives you the chance to make informed choices after every other aspect of the mating has been considered
crazy cat, I think I know what you are saying and agree with you here:
" another fact is the results of a test should not be the reason to choose a potential stud ,optigen gives you the chance to make informed choices after every other aspect of the mating has been considered "
But i think you must be saying that JUST a clear optigen result is no reason to choose a stud dog. NOT being Optigen tested would be a good reason, if you also had not tested your bitch, to rule out stud dogs in my view. But i agree, to widen your range, if you just test your own bitch, then you can, if she is clear, mate her to whomever you like as long as you are prepared to litter test.
Which, because I litter tested once, and never again (microchipping and blood drawing off 5 week olds was a horrible experience) i will only ever use a tested dog on my tested bitches because I hate unknowns now the test is here!
There are so many tested dogs out there seems a shame to use one even if your bitch is tested herself. But i appreciate the choice is a little more limited in the field trial lines right now.
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