I really wish I'd 'met' you lot on LF before I bought Charlie and then we wouldn't have had to go through the stress and heartache that we did with Charlie needing both hips replacing by one year old.
We didn't know anything about health testing (soon learnt, but too late ) and were sucked in by cute pups and 'gift ot the gab' breeder!!
I would never have bought a pup from where we did had we had the advice and information people on here kindly offer and I would never make the same mistake twice. I would recommend that people have a look at the labrador health website, www.lab-health.co.uk to have a more detailed look at the health tests needed before buying a pup.
I sincerely hope your pup is a healthy one and you have many happy years with her. Please take out good insurance and we all look forward to seeing photos of Teva when she comes home
I now have the sire reg number and dob, how do i go about finding out his scores, if he has them logged on KC?
I understand i need to look at the breed list
Sadly, it looks very likely that the sire has NOT been hip scored let alone anything else, no trace of any health records for this dog can be found
No.of Labs: 1
Lab Names: Marley (Coco Caramel Boy) DOB 11.04.07 Indi (Newf) DOB 28.6.07 Always remembering Charlie who died 12.06.07 run free my baby x
I do agree with all the posts here regarding health checks, but would add, in the nicest way possible, that someone asking for advice does not mean they have to listen.
When any of us ask for advice, we tend to ask different people and we may only heed the advice from one of them.
I understand the frustration - especially from those who breed and who dedicate their time to ensuring litters of healthy puppies and breed improvement.
It is without any doubt that health checks are a must, but sometimes these things happen, and, especially with rescue dogs, people take them on without knowing any prior history/
If people were not willing to take on rescue dogs or dogs with no health checks, cross breeds and such like, there would be a lot of unnecessary euthanasia's I fear.
I will make it clear, (as I learned from the KC reg thread) that I am just stating the other side of the coin regarding the concerns of the range of dogs who are not health checked.
I DO AGREE that, while there are no guarantees, health checks can and most probably will help to lessen heartache in years to come with your pet regarding the pets state of health.
I also AGREEE that when you have a choice, it seems irresponsible in a way not to make the right one regarding pups from health checked parents.
In all honesty though, reading the replies, I would be slightly put off coming back for help as I would be scared and feeling guilty
Regardless, good luck with your choice of pup - it is a gamble, and I hope everything works out for you and your pup remains healthy.
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When any of us ask for advice, we tend to ask different people and we may only heed the advice from one of them.
True - so what do you do when all the different people are giving exactly the same advice? which is what happened on this and the other thread, ignore it
It has been made quite clear if you read the content of this thread, that we wish Katy-Jane well - None of us would wish ill health on any labrador, old or young, however it is born; but the simple fact is that it is the humans that hold the control over what happens to these dogs, in relation to both breeding and buying the pups - and while people continue to buy puppies from non-health tested breeding stock, then no incentive exists for them to change or stop
There are no guarantees - but I fail to see what is so wrong in ensuring that everything possible is done to ensure the pups are healthy, and that the people who ask for advice take it - particularly when, in a lot of cases, the price differential between pups from tested stock and non-tested stock is marginal.
No.of Labs: 1
Lab Names: Marley (Coco Caramel Boy) DOB 11.04.07 Indi (Newf) DOB 28.6.07 Always remembering Charlie who died 12.06.07 run free my baby x
Sue, I do agree, and I do not know why people do not listen, just pointing out that giving advice does not ever guarantee that the person asking will listen (I am not saying it is right or wrong BTW)
I also agree about healthchecks as I have said, but can also see the other side of the coin.
I never implied that any of you did not wish Katie well or wished ill-health on a labrador. I was just saying that the OP may feel guilty reading back at the replies and hence may be scared to ask for any furture help.
I also see no wrong in ensuring that everything possible is done to ensure the health of a puppy!
My posts seem to get misinterpreted on here regarding any view I have had on KC reg or health checks - which I both fully agree with.
But, for some reason, because I also see the other side of the coin in such situations, I am misunderstood and people seem to think that I am promoting non-health checked parents or non-KC registration.
You all seem very nice and very caring people, but, from an outsider point of view, it does seem a clique forum and that you have to agree with the everything the breeders/experienced say to fit in, and you are not allowed to challenge it without being jumped on from regulars.
I felt it again a little earlier in another thread, where someone's dog has been acting out of character on a number of things.
Maybe its just me, but it was very prevalent in the KC thread. I think I will refrain from posting for a while, and just read instead
Meanwhile, I would like to thank everyone for help with the Charlie thread -- now that thread means a lot and I shall always read it - and I do sincerely mean that.
But, for some reason, because I also see the other side of the coin in such situations, I am misunderstood and people seem to think that I am promoting non-health checked parents or non-KC registration.
Its not that, and you are right, there is always two sides to the coin - it is just that since setting up Lab health and some of the stories and situations that seem to have crossed mine and Wendy's paths - it is so frustrating that they keep happening
I think as sensible adults we know people may not take advice, myself when something negative like this happens, I try and make a positive out of it. In this case a few days later I wrote a post which has become a sticky about the questions to ask a breeder BEFORE going to see the puppies rather than after, so the head stays in gear and the heart doesn't take over.
I feel Katy Jane was an inch FROM taking our advice but the heart was just there a bit before the head.
There is also a sticky running in Puppy Stuff about not feeling guilty when we are all advocating health testing and buying from good quality breeders IF you happened to take another path in buying your puppy.
The difference being Katy ASKED and the people that is aimed at came here AFTER purchasing.
I know what you are saying, we came down too hard and scared her away. I'm sorry for that seems you are right. But a positive was made out of it by the 'breeder questions' post and maybe, just maybe, another 5 lurkers saw this thread BEFORE going to see a litter and thought again.
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) and were sucked in by cute pups and 'gift ot the gab' breeder!!
