Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 6:09 pm Post subject: How can i see if my dog is related to her future mate
hi all, im new. just wanting to know if anyone has a link or can tell me how to see if my lab is related to a future mate? i saw the future mate today, and his sire's name is very similar to my bitches dam's name. i know that doesnt mean anything, but info is welcome!
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 8:26 pm Post subject: Re: How can i see if my dog is related to her future mate
Hi yes we have the 5 generation pedigree but thats wot i mean, my bitches dam and the males sire have similar names. Just wanted to check if they were related! There names are KENMILLIONE and KENMILLIQUIN BUTTERCUP. If anyone wants to check em out n let me no i b very greatful
Whether they are related, I don't know... need one of the peeps in the know to see this thread.
the Affix "Ken" is issued by the Kennel Club - so working out whether they are related without the pedigree details unless they have something obvious like same mother or father.
If you are looking to breed, you should be researching the pedigrees to see how well matched the dogs are - and in reality, you should be able to work this out with the stud dog owner if you can't do it yourself, there are lots of software packages out there that can help.
In addition to highlighting relationships between the two dogs (it is rare to find two labs that are completely unrelated even if it doesn't seem so looking at the 5 generation pedigree) - you can also then find out if there have been any issues in the pedigree with eye problems, Optigen PRA, and Hip and Elbow Dysplasia - it took me over two years to accumulate all the information I needed on my bitch's pedigree - plus a host of health checks - before I was happy to select her mate and proceed.
To be honest, what this affix indicates to you is that both dogs are probably entirely unrelated as thousands of puppies a year carry the Kenmill'something' affix as it is given when a breeder does not really care enough to think of their own names to register the puppies and throws the job at the kennel club for a small fee.
So what i am saying is that these are obviously both pet dogs.... please think VERY carefully before proceeding, there is no much more to breeding that this.
What is it about the future sire you find attractive. If he doesn't have hip scores, a current eye certificate and elbow scores don't touch him, you could be setting yourself up for a litter with MANY compliants afterwards about poor health in the puppies, and, of course, equally the same, you must hip score and eye test through the kennel club chemes your own bitch before breeding.
Well, of course you don't have to, but you wouldn't sleep at night if you knew what could be passed along if you don't...
This pet dog to pet dog breeding idea can be improved on dramatically with a bit of time and patience on your part. A better sire can be found, health tests can be done on your girl and a lot of reading up and so on can help you to feel more confidenct when you sell your puppies that the people coming to you will have ALL their complex questions answered in a confident and knowledgeable manner about feeding, training, health, the health schemes you will use to ensure their puppy is healthy etc.
You didn't ask for all this, but its important its said. I hope the dog IS already health tested. I hope you look elsewhere for a better sire as being local means nothing - most travel hundreds of miles for the right sire (although he MIGHT be on your doorstep!).
A bit about the pedigrees might be helpful to point out any pitfalls but nothing is better than seeing the hip and eblow scored and clear eye certificates on both parents to feel safe at LEAST that health will be there except in a freak stroke of bad luck.
Di
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Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 12:14 pm Post subject: Re: How can i see if my dog is related to her future mate
Thanks all, for all the advice. Both my bitches parents and her mates parents, were pet dogs, as we are just wanting a litter of healthy pups not show pups. There is numerous Show champions in each pedigree, and yes, both my dog and the future mate have been hip scored, elbows and eyes check, and all are well.
Obviously, i dont want to mate her with a dog that is related as i know thats when more problems accur (which i have seen for myself)
Is there a certain site to check if they are a good match?! If so, plz post it me, as i want the very best for my sweet girl.
Is there a certain site to check if they are a good match?! If so, plz post it me, as i want the very best for my sweet girl.
How would you define a good match? as stated before, it will be very unusual to find two labs that don't have some common ancestry.
There are numerous software products you can buy - I use Breedmate - this will highlight a whole range of useful factors on the data entered, and will also give you the inbreeding COI of the two possible mates over the number of generations you chose - although my understanding is that 10 gens is typically used.
The idea behind HAVING some common ancestors is to linebreed. If the dogs involved in the mating are healthy with good health scores and clear eye certificates and also their grandparents and so on were then linebreeding is a far better way to reproduce your presumably nice girl. Avoiding ancestors is not the way to keep the look and any consistancy to your litter. It is not negative. It is only negative if you inbreed (which is mother to son, father to daughter and siblings to siblings and maybe half siblings to half siblings). OR if you linebreed on unhealthy, ugly or poor dogs.....
If you do go for a total outcross which is not easy without ANY common ancestors in a decent show pedigree which I presume from your post you have, you have to accept you will end up with a litter that can look a bit like anything, with no type to indicate that you felt you wished to reproduce your bitch as closely as possible.
What attracts you to this dog? What will he improve on your girl? Is he just the right colour and close by or is he a fair distance and you have viewed many stud dogs to pick the best of the best for your girl?
There is no way of telling what a mating will throw up. There is no one chart that says 'mate this to this' whicjh is why ideally you use a dog you have access to his offspring, maybe go to some shows or working events to specifically view what he has produced and see if you think he might suit your girl. And not just one or two but several to get a real overview.
Just if you wish to do it with some real conviction in the reasons behind your mating.... take the time to consider and research 3 or 4 dogs at least. If you need help you can purchase the national labrador Club yearbooks with many stud dogs listed and pictured. Ask if you need help to do this.
Any old pet dog is not good enough for ANYONES lovely girl let alone YOURS.
Good luck
Di
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