Even in my little experience there are no dogs there that are recognisible for their achievement which just adds fuel to fire of her being NO where near good enough to breed from. Just pet dog to pet dog breeding. Sad really.
By the way that wasn't meant to offend pet dog owners out there who may have pet dogs with the above dogs in their pedigree but then the majority of people on this forum will recognise that
TB, your pedigree is the result of pet dog to pet dog matings except for a dog you have neglected to respect by putting his hard earned title on FT CH Garendon Captain.
Did you say you have mated your bitch back to Captain? You play with fire as there are several known Carriers of GPRA behind Captain through no fault of his own or his breeders.
I would also imagine that the chances are he does not carry chocolate - infact i am fairly certain he doesn't, so you do realise that by using a black dog who does not carry chocolate on your chocolate bitch all your puppies will be black. You will not have a chocolate which you mentioned you were hoping to produce because they are 'commercially viable' in another thread.
You said you put her back to her Grandfather - maybe you meant her OTHER grandfather?
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Think TB must have meant Poppy`s other Grandfather Di, he said he mated choc to choc and both poppy`s parents were black.
I was wondering earlier when you mentioned FT CH Garendon Captain`s owner being well known and respected within the Lab Community, if they`d have allowed their boy to be mated to his Granddaughter?
No I don't think they would... not personally.... especially because of the eye problems there in any close up Trial lines behind Poppy and captain. But you can never speak for someone else of course.
But very experienced breeders who know the background and exact health status of any inherited problems in the line MIGHT do a 'tight' line breeding (as its called) and mate Grandfather to grandaughter or Grandmother to Grandson... but you would need to have a very good reason to do it, and never blindly in terms of health - sorry TB, not dragging it on, but its a fact.
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I'd be surprised if Garendon Captain is still available at stud. He was born in 1994 and won the IGL Retriever Championship in 1998 so is now 13 years old! I've not seen him advertised at stud of a couple of years or more.
Ibelieve I must have got it wrong and he is mating her back to her OTHER grandsire Radical Rolo at Stonecallers - who, to show I am trying to be fair, IS indeed hip scored as Thunderballs said - 3:3. However he is from two unhipscored parents and we know very clearly the bitch is not hipscored, or elbow scored, or eye tested, so the fact the sire is means very very little indeed ....
Oh dear. I know... this needs leaving now. TB appears to have gone again - phew!
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Onr minute people are saying hip scoring both parents at one year is fine the next its you have to go bak to hipscored grandparents.
All the while the vet community are still fishing around in the dark trying to identify what the specific genetic combinations are that cause HD.
all the KC have to do is make it mandatory that all KC registered Labs come from suitably hip scored parents and you will have your wish - but ofc not the result.
essentially it seems to me that certain breeders have an inherent interest in lambasting anyone that wants to breed 2 apparantly perfectly healthy pure pred KC registered labs.
You are free to do that and i will fight for your right to your opinion however everytime anyone says something you dont like on the matter a lot of people start bringing ropey facts and too much emotion into the debate before the debate is stiffled.
You see if poppys UKFTCH grandfather has eye probs in his background that simply goes to illustrate that parents with eye problems go on to produce championship quality labs and that the issue is not dealt with by someone popping off to a vet for a 25 quid eye test before breeding.
I am perfectly happy to breed on the basis I have, thats my choice and it is acceptible under KC policies.
I am not trying to breed winning or FTCH Labs then flogging off the rejects to pet owners.
You talk abbout pet dog to pet dog matings as though their is something unsavoury or demeaning about that.
There isnt - most labs are pets and they may not have just the right sized head, be able to retrieve to FTCH level but few are used to show/compete and they remain the mainstay of the breed.
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but then the majority of people on this forum will recognise that 
