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Diana  Offline
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Wow...
I am going in now to edit my orginal post as it is too long and wordy for most to bother getting to the end of.
Thank you mods for making it a sticky. I will make it worthy of being so by rewording it more suscinctly 
I need to say this:
I was on a previous forum up to a year ago. If anyone came on asking for advice on breeding their bitch or standing their pet dog at stud the response was electric. I tried to stand back and tell them like it is how it wasn't a good idea BUT if they REALLY were going to go ahead anyway then to do 'this' 'this' and 'this'.
It basically ended up with me booted off the forum. I was accused of encaouraging 'pet' breeding. Indeed I was branded a puppy farmer as if I supported such breeding I obviously was thoroughly disreputable myself.
The way i see it. People will ask for info. They often won't know they are asking a key or inflamatory question. They will then run if the answers are nasty, very negative or patronising. So where does that leave their bitch? Rape mated by a fellow non health tested dog and pups raised in the wrong conditions and fed inadequate food and sold at 5 weeks of age to highly unsuitable people?
This doesn't to my mind, to be frank, although other seem to disagree, happen on here virtually EVER which is amazing. I don't think some people realise what lions den's the VAST majority of other dog forums are like when they think this is heated or harsh
SO these guys asking for info will take it on board, and maybe dismiss it as is their right. I wish they wouldn't. But they do sometimes. And my feeling was it was kinder to their dog, bitch and the puppies they would produce to be there for them than not. In a nutshell.
Scaled down but again, if folks decide to ignore advice about purchasing a puppy, OR maybe have the dog already, we can't change their minds by force nor turn the clock back, so these people need to STAY. Very much so. Its embarassing to ask for advice, ignore it then blatently come on and sing about your dog bought against majority advice.
I just wanted to say 'it doesn't have to be embarassing and it is SO NICE on here and positive, more so than ANYWHERE else, that we CAN be one of the only forums you CAN come back to!'
And this comes from the queen of the forceful word
Di
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We talked about getting a dog over a number of weeks and decided on a labrador because they were the best breed to have with a young family. We kept an eye out in the papers and more or less straight away came across an advert for a 12 week old chocolate lab along with his golden brother. We went to see the pups who were with a woman on a farm and they were kept in an outhouse with the parents in a separate den. Both the parents and the pups looked in good health and we fell in love with the chocolate lab and brought him home.
We were not given any information as to hip scores or eye checks but was told that the animals were of very good health and we were happy with that at the time.
After we bought Bozo home we came on line and discovered LF and soon realised that we went about getting a pup of this breed in entirely the wrong way. We didn't do our research and we let our hearts rule our heads and we openly admit that if we were to buy a pup again we would do it very very differently.
We haven't let on before about how we got Bozo as we felt a little stupid to have gone about it so wrongly. Di and everyone else is absolutely right in what they say about the importance of healthchecked parents and I firmly agree that everyone should take this advice as we will if ever we decide to get another pup.
All that said, we love Bozo to bits and wouldn't be without him. Touch wood, there have been no probs so far with his health but time will tell. We have asked for quiet a bit of advice on LF and have always been given advice that we have followed and we thank all those who have helped us. I feel quite comfortable asking for help when I feel the need as people on this forum have been nothing but polite and eager to help no matter what my question.
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_Mary_ Offline
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I got CJ in much the same way as Bozo, I did start off by contacting a breeder on line (pretty well known I think) and she passed to me someone else etc etc, I was with someone whose bitch was in whelp, or so we thought, but it turned out to be a phantom, the owner put me intouch with someone else who had 7 week old pups, I went to see them and altho I knew about hip score (not anything else) and asked, I was told that only the dad had been done, bitch not done cos they`d never had probs with any of her pups.
I knew this was really the wrong thing, but was hooked on my boy by then  , so home he came with me, like Bozoboss I`ve been very lucky with him so far, he`s shown no signs of joint problems, I know tho that this isn`t the case for everyone and wouldn`t make the sme mistake again.
Lucy hun you have absolutely nothing to be ashamed of, I know you went thru a rough time when you first got Pheebs, you`ve come on in leaps and bounds since the tho and like I`ve said before you have a little dog to be proud of, not only that you should be proud of yourself to for the work you`ve put in with Pheebs to make her the dog she is today 
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I also got Pud pre LF - this time last year in fact. I had uuummm and ahhhhed about getting a pup since buying my own house the year before and finally made my mind up and then had to get a pup straight away 
I called a number of breeders who's details i found on line or in the free ads . The only questions i asked were whether they had any yellow girls and how much . I eventually got details of a place in wales that colleagues had got their 3 year old bitch from. I called and was advised that they had 2 9 week old boys still available, the only question i can recall asking him is whether labs are good dogs to get if you work full time - he told me they were no worse than any other and that i'd be better off with a dog than bitch  . I called back a few days later to arrange to go to see the dogs and he told me that he was coming over to liverpool that night for deliveries and could bring one of the pups for me to 'have a look at'. At about 9:30pm on the Friday night he arrived with Pud who of course was never going to turn away.
I didn't follow any of the rules - i didn't really know anything about health checking - but had read that the pups should be seen with their mother etc - my justification at the time was that my colleagues had done all of that so it must be ok. I now feel very stupid, the 'breeder' was undoubtably a puppy farmer (all sorts of breeds are on offer) he thought nothing of putting a pup in his van for hours on end before handing him over no questions asked (the invoice was all written out)
I've been incredibly lucky in that Pud has a lovely temperant and has been a relatively 'easy' puppy - my parents have also fallen in love with him and he gets to spend all day at nan and grandads whilst i'm at work and is rarely alone for more than a few hours. But i constantly watch how he is walking etc for signs of a limp as i really have no idea what his history is. He wasn't KC reg i was told i could send the paperwork off myself but having re-visited it recently it is for some dog lovers group!
I wouldn't make the same mistake again - i would love another soon but would look for a reputable breeder and wait for the right pup. I don't feel unwelcome on LF for having been so silly but can't honestly say that had I visited LF and posted just the once in the week leading up to getting Pud that i really would have taken the advice on board - i was so caught up in puppy fever! embarrassment at having asked for advice and not followed it may have prevented me from returning - but that would have been my own fault and not of anyone who takes the time to share their knowledge and experience with others.
Sorry for rambling!
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guitardave Offline
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:32 pm Post subject: |
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Hi Diane,I was one of those who felt embarrassed by not taking advice given on the health checks(hips etc).But the reason there was a gap with not being on the site myself was that I ran out of time allowed for a new visitor having not subscribed.
Then when I went to subscribe could not for the life of me find my paypal password and they wouldn't give me another under the same email address??? Had to get someone else to pay with their paypal but It's worth It because I think this site is fantastic and well worth the suscription.
Tilly seems fine apart from the odd thing but I have had my worries which have made me wish I had took the advice on hip scoring etc but luckily nothing bad has happened.
She Is coming up for 5 months now and has lifted our whole family up as she Is such a character.
I think you may not have heard from other new puppy owners as everything may be going alright for them and they have ran out of free time?
Keep up the good work,this Is a great site.
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Diana Offline
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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Great to hear that Dave, nice to 'see' you again!
I think you are right, many just lurk and read for no motive other than its a fag to subscribe to some... but just for those who did feel embarssed, and we get two or three people a week usually asking 'do I REALLY need to ask for hipscores' or 'is eye testing REALLY important' and so on, and those start debates where I was concerned that the folks might run and never come back
Di
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_Sam_ Offline
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| Posted: Wed Feb 28, 2007 4:02 pm Post subject: |
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I came on here asking for advice when i was looking at puppies before i found coal.
it was very confusing see all the different puppy adverts and not being sure what i needed to be looking for and whether hip scores etc were essential for 'pet' dogs.
i'm very glad i asked as i turned down several opportunities to go and see puppies - i'd started asking questions and discovered the puppies weren't hip scored and it'd been an accidential breeding etc etc
Coal's parents are hip scored and eye tested.
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sarah111 Offline
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Hi while agree with whats been said new puppy owners should still be aware that it is still no guarantee, we also turned down pup due to mum not being hip scored and found a lovely breeder (or so we thought) all the certificates good hip and eye scores etc got Bailey home to find out that soon after he was diagnosed with entropion, i was upset as i thought that would have come under clear eyes but apparently it doesn't so and it was sad seeing him with poorley eyes, so it just goes to show that even after all the checks i made it doesn't mean you will not have health problems( unless i suppose you but off a breeder who has previous pups and you know some1 who has one of the previous pups . Thanks Sarah and Bailey
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 12:58 pm Post subject: |
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Sarah is totally right - there are no guarantees in life. Clearly it makes sense to reduce known risks as best as is possible and cover the dog with a good insurance policy.
At the end of the day taking on a pup is a risk - but one we all happily accept.
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Diana Offline
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| Posted: Mon Mar 12, 2007 3:10 pm Post subject: |
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Hi sarah, As Entropian is not a genetic condition in the inheritable sense sadly you are right it is not covered under the BVA eye testing scheme. The schemes are there to try and prevent known inherited conditions being passed along. Your bad luck is upsetting indeed, but sadly couldn't have been prevented in any way by the breeder.
HD (Hips), ED (Elbows), HC, MRD and GPRA (eyes) are all inheritable problems which can be helped by using the health schemes and only breeding if the parents are free from any of these above, hence trying to persuade folks to buy from parents who have been put through the schemes.
I hope we agree on that?
I am glad your boy is considerably better, its not a major health problem but its a major deal to have a dog who has to go through an op at such a young age.
Di
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