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Lab Names: Shadow, Ralf
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 12:57 pm    Post subject:  Anyone related to Shadow or have any info on his family? Reply with quote Scroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of PageTweet This Post

We don't have alot of info as yet, as we have only just sent off his registration papers! Embarassed

Shadows kennel name is: Dark Ash Tootell (AG3)

Sire: Mini Malu AB00992204

Dam: Silhouette Ruby (AD4) AD04620404.

Any info would be appreciated.

Thanks

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Diana Subscriber 23/07/2013 Offline
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Lab Names: Mallie, Fish, Tom, Bondy, Mia, Ruby & Otter!
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Ok, your pups Sire is Mini Malu
Hips 3:6, Date of Birth 03/04/01
HIS Sire was Millbuies Magnum of Drakeshead (hips 4/3)
His Dam was Persistant Streak (hips 8/6)

Your pups Dam is not listed as being hip scored so I cannot track her parentage, however my database runs from the start of 2006, so if she was hipscored during 2006 then she wouldn't yet be listed which is quite possible.

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Lab Names: Shadow, Ralf
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 1:24 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote Go to Top of PageScroll Up to Previous postScroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of PageTweet This Post

Thanks Di,

I suspect that Ruby was never hip scored.

Looking at his dads side though, they seem to have reasonable scores.

Will have Shadow done when he is old enough!

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WOW Di your wealth of knowlage is absolutly astounding

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Thank you, the Kennel Club hip score and elbow score databases though can give a lot of that info to you, of course only as long as the dog or bitch has been hip scored that you seek! If not then there is little to track them on if they don't appear in the various online pedigree databases or your own personal one if you are so inclined.

Andi, for fear of being jumped on (grin) by others, you only need to hip score your boy if you end up planning to breed from him, you know, after you have proved his worth to the gene pool by working or showing him to some success and so on. If he is to be your pet dog and you just wish to know the quality of his hips for your own records then you *can* xray him and the vet give you a sound opinion if they are good, bad or indifferent, however, to be honest, even if they are poor, there is little you can do other than wait for lameness to hit, and meantime be sensible with his weight and exercise, so, basically, just raise him like any other labrador!

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Thanks again Di,

At present we have no firm plans for Shadow, other than he will always be a valued member of our family.

A friend of ours owns a farm which is used by various shoots. Therefore, he employs a gamekeeper and he actually trains his own gun dogs. He has trained 2 spaniels for our friend and said he would take a look at Shadow. This is as far as we have gone.

We do intend to take him up to the farm in the near future but more on a social visit than anything.

With regards to showing him or breeding from him, i would love to (should he be up to it) but wouldn't know where to start. I have read so much about it on LF, it has left me in a bit of a spin!

In an ideal world I would love to think that he was up to the grade and that i was capable of showing him or working him and breeding from him. As it stands at the moment, i am having enough problems with his basic training!

You never know, it may all fall into place soon and i will be back asking you for more advice on any of the above. Although i very much doubt it! lol. What ever happen, he will always be a much loved member of this family!

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You sound incrediably sensible and level headed about all this. From the Sires side of things I would say he is probably more of the working style of labrador looks wise... so therefore probably working, either as a member of your shoot or running in working tests would be his goal, rather than showing, which takes a slightly different shaped dog to those bred the way your boy SEEMS to be from only the small amount of info I posted..

Good luck in any direction anyway!

Di


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:27 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote Go to Top of PageScroll Up to Previous postScroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of PageTweet This Post

Thanks yet again!

I believe that they are a working line. I will know more once i get the records from the Kennel Club.

I am sure that i read somewhere on here that working dogs were the smaller type of lab. Is this right?

Thing is, shadow and his parents, especially his sire, are all large dogs.

Shadow is 24 weeks old now and very sleek looking but weighs 25kgs.

Sorry to be a pain but i know from other threads and forums that your knowledge and opinions are highly regarded.

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Lab Names: Mallie, Fish, Tom, Bondy, Mia, Ruby & Otter!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 3:52 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote Go to Top of PageScroll Up to Previous postScroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of PageTweet This Post

Blush... thank you...

Its a tricky one. There are long legged tall working labrador lines, and there are shortlegged smaller working lines. There are broad, huge, towering show lines and short legged hairy hippo show lines. There was a thread running (where I learnt to insert pictures into posts after about 9 months not having a clue how!)... a few days ago and it contained pictures to try and show the difference.

I will try and find it. It was the peak of my technical ability so I should of FRAMED it not just stored it Wink

The thing is working lines tend, in general, to be a little taller than most show bred dogs heightwise. However in frame they tend to be lean, finding it hard to hold much weight on themselves, they tend to be a little longer in body from shoulders to tail, sometimes they have muzzles that are a little longer in length than most show line dogs (to comfortably hold the largest of birds), often have slightly larger ears, and a narrower skull.

They often do not have the thick otter tail of the show line Labrador, and sometimes carry a lot less coat than a show line labrador (usually the working lines, to the letter of the breed standard, are MORE correct in coat texture really, with none of the loose-your-hand-depth, wavy coats of many show lines) However some working lines lack a 'double coat' which is not a good thing for a dog in and out of water in the winter - brrrrr!

So taller, maybe, but certainly leaner, with less density of bone, less breadth of body and skull, a longer muzzle, a shorter, tighter coat, a longer leaner looking tail, sometimes curling slightlyly upwards about two thirds of the way down its length, just overall slightly LESS dog in terms of quantity is the usual traits of the working line labrador. However they are often quite large dogs in height.

They can still be extremely handsome and extremely well made however, never let it be said otherwise. Its just that not quite as much attention has been paid to beauty as to functionality so they tend to not excel in the showring. Reading that back makes me rather wonder sometimes the logic of it all, this show/working split Wink Wink

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PostPosted: Sun Feb 11, 2007 4:09 pm    Post subject:   Reply with quote Go to Top of PageScroll Up to Previous postScroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of PageTweet This Post

Wow Di! Thanks.

I will go and digest all of that and let you have a rest!

You have managed to describe him perfectly! Unfortunately, i don't know how to use the quote buttons so i cant paste it into my text.

In a nutshell, he is tall, lean but very solid. He has the big ears and longer snout. Not sure that he would make it as a gun dog though, he would probably eat the bird and just come back with a mouthful of feathers! lol

One day he will be still enough for us to take some pics, then i will make an album on here.

Thank you so much for taking the time to answer my question. No doubt you will be hearing from me again before too much longer!

Take care x

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