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_Vicky_Subscriber 24/04/2009

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:00 am    Post subject: Thank this member for this postReply with quote Scroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of Page

OOHHHH I have a question too please Miss Wink If you have a W is dog 2 better being a W too or a P - now I am getting a dalmatian so not a lab but just in general. Part of me things two little wimps (awww) together may encourage each other and therefore make the nervousness worse BUT on the other hand if I got a rampaging P would Rubys life thereafter be a nightmare?

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:12 am    Post subject: Thank this member for this postReply with quote Go to Top of PageScroll Up to Previous postScroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of Page

Vicky - I have a W and a W/P. And neither has influenced the other. Dont worry Vicky Very Happy

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:49 am    Post subject: Thank this member for this postReply with quote Go to Top of PageScroll Up to Previous postScroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of Page

Di, this is a great post, thank you. I always worried that because we didn't pick Asha up until she was 12 weeks that I had missed out on some key socialisation time, and that I controbuted to her natural timidity as a result of over/under socialising from that point on.

When we collected her the breeder described her as very feminine, meaning she has a soft temperament ... and knows how to be cute to get her own way! And it's so true.

I think she's mainly a W, particularly around other dogs but this is more submissive than defensive - around people she def has P traits. I think she's a blend - would be fascinated to take her to a showground to see whether the dog-fearing-W or people-loving-P would prevail ... will see what I can do about making that happen Wink

In the meantime thanks for putting my mind at rest, and helping me to understand her more.
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elliemaySubscriber 27/11/2009

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 9:50 am    Post subject: Thank this member for this postReply with quote Go to Top of PageScroll Up to Previous postScroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of Page

That's an exellent post Di, very interesting. Elsa is definitely a W type. But would this theory apply to dogs that bark at people who walk near the house. Could that be a genetic trait. I ask as I have had 2 labs that did and 2 that never did. As far as I can remember they have all been treated the same since arriving here. This behavior is not something I've encouraged or discouraged so could it be in the breeding?

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TopseytSubscriber 26/04/2009

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I'd say Charlie slots into the W category quite well. He is a fear aggressive type, and can also sometimes lunge out in some situations. Confused

Interesting post.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:24 am    Post subject: Thank this member for this postReply with quote Go to Top of PageScroll Up to Previous postScroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of Page

Di, your post is spot on. They are all individuals and we should accept them for that. Too many books and so called experts suggesting that Labs fall into one category, which we all know isn`t true.

I have 3 Ps, but my youngest shows the very slightest of a W, but only very occasionally.


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LabladySubscriber 14/05/2009

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 10:39 am    Post subject: Thank this member for this postReply with quote Go to Top of PageScroll Up to Previous postScroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of Page

Yes Di I can relate to this, I have one of each, Katie is DEFINITELY a 'P' and Suzie is a 'W'

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_Jules_Subscriber 25/04/2009

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:21 am    Post subject: Thank this member for this postReply with quote Go to Top of PageScroll Up to Previous postScroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of Page

Vicky I did ponder this too, when applying for a GDBA pup. I thought that the pup *may* pick up on any nervousness from Mojo, but infact it seems to be working the other way round...Oyster goes bounding in, knowing no fear of anyone...and so now Mojo is starting to follow too.

Mojo did always watch Tara wander over to greet all and sundry, but I think she just assumed the old girl was off her rocker...so that didn't count. Wink Laughing

The thing is you won't really know whether you have a *P* or a *W* dog until you get it home, unless the breeder actually comes out and tells you that her bitch or the stud dog is of a nervous disposition......and in all truth how many breeders are going to tell potential buyers that. Wink


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MandsSubscriber 20/05/2009

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 11:33 am    Post subject: Thank this member for this postReply with quote Go to Top of PageScroll Up to Previous postScroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of Page

Just caught up on this post, what a fab one it is!
Sadie I would say is definitely a W, although there must be a little P in there somewhere! Being scared of the hoover and prams outside etc, but not being scared of a gunshot going off right next to her! I love her the way she is and would not change her for the world (except her elbows Wink )
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 17, 2007 12:12 pm    Post subject: Thank this member for this postReply with quote Go to Top of PageScroll Up to Previous postScroll Down to Next postGo to last Post of Page

Once again this forum and especially you Di have opened my eyes up to a whole new train of thought. I think this is a good concept to get into your head before we start becoming over anxious over behavioral problems - as I know I would do. Although Rolo is still very much a puppy I have started to worry if she shows tendencies to be either too much P or W! Right now she is a mix of both. I am in touch with two other people who took puppies from the same litter so it will be interesting for me to see if all the dogs develop into the same category.

Wonderful post, Di, great food for thought - thank you Very Happy

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