Posted: Mon Nov 13, 2006 8:24 pm Post subject: Can anybody help? stay command
We have 9 month old black lab bitch. We took her to socialization/obedience classes for a couple of months. The only problem we have is that when we tell her to stay she jumps up. We give a hand signal too but no matter what we do she will jump up.
I am going to try to change to whistle commands too, so any advice would be greatly appreciated.
I'll be interested in this answer also as I would like have a go at getting Truffs to stay. What should I do? She sits, lays down and gives her paws (sometimes both at the same time ).
If you do the stay are you far away from your dog? If yes then I would go back to her and start the stays from close to her and when she does it reward her. If she does it 2 or 3 times, then go back a bit further each time, but don't rush it. If she won't stay without a lead, get someone to hold it whilst you do the stays or if your alone, just step on the lead and move away one step whilst still standing on the lead, so your dog cannot go far and you can get it in the stay again. When I was teaching Stormy the up sits, he use to want to come to me instead of coming from the down to the sit and waiting there. It took ages for him to get that one, but we got there in the end.The main thing is patience and don't loose your temper as the dog will pick up on it.
I taught Amber to 'wait' (the same as stay) by getting her to sit first. Giving the wait command with the hand signal and taking a small step backwards then forwards, then reward. I did this a couple of times then took two steps backwards and then forwards again, and again reward and praise. I just kept taking steps back and then forwards until she got the hang of it. I then started to wait rather than go straight back to her, but by this time she knew what was happening and that was it.
I did observe though, that I was doing all the work and she just sat there and got fed! LOL
____________ Kimberley,Sheppy and Amber
Amber/Shep
I use stay to mean stay - as in I'm going to come back and get you...and wait to mean "stay there until I tell you to do something else" i.e. come. Danny has really picked up on this and knows that wait will be followed by another command and that stay means just that!
I think Danny is quite lazy - sometimes when he's supposed to be in a 'sit-stay' he will lay down, I am trying to correct this by going back to him and bringing him back to a sit...needless to say his 'down-stay' is great!!! and he never lays down when he is "waiting"!!!
Nicola, when commanding sit-stay try placing your hand on the top of the lead near her collar to prevent her from jumping up then use "good stay" to gradually move away from her...
Sharon- truffle is still soooo young, I think its just about repeating and consistency for her at the moment, I wouldn't get too hung up at this stage if she gets confused, just concentrate on one thing at a time in a small area, giving positive rewards for the correct response. I found that Danny's basic training went well at home and then when we got to training class he was distracted so got a bit confused as to what he was doing, but he soon progressed.
Rachel, I'm interested because others have soken of the 'wait/stay' thing being two different cmmands. I wonder if this is when sometimes dogs get wires crossed....maybe not, just considering...
Whether 'wait' is temporary or 'permenant' surely one command would do? I only say because for me, I use wait. It could have been stay but it was wait. I don't differntiate between me asking them to stay for a while or a long time, or between them maybe doing nothing till I return or maybe doing something whilst I am at a distance... if I say wait, its till I tell them to do something else, be that close at hand or from a distance.... its wait if they are to sit through a 20 minute drive with birds falling round them, or for a short second before I give them a come or directional signal... its till I say differently.....
Where does the 'wait' / 'stay' thing as seperate commands help out? I am genuinely interested....
I use the seperate commands like Rachel does, if my dogs are told to wait they will wait until I say 'ok' as in, its alright to move now - I will use this command when they are fed, or if going through the front door/gate and most importanly when opening the car boot.
If they are told to stay, they are not released until I go back to them and release them. For example, in the park if I tell them to stay then they will until I walk over to them, clip their leads on and release them again with an ok.
I dont think my dogs are confused and I think they know the difference....I do use Wait more often, but thats because more circumstances arise when they need to pause and hold fire for a second before being allowed to do what they want to do.
I'm interested in the reasoning behind the two commands for basically the same concept 'stay there till I ask something else of you'. Thank you for your reply.I'm not totally convinced the two different commands are necessary but thats just me! I get by without two seperate ones, but if its something you enjoy training, hell, so be it!
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