If you don't use a reward of some kind, what is going to make the dog want to stay there, when he could be running around having fun, stirring up the other dogs.
I do the stay without eye contact, but hold my hand up with the flat palm showing. When I go back to the dog I don't give her the treat straight away, I step to the side or walk round her, then go back to the heel position and release her giving her the treat.
I found that some dogs move if you make eye contact with them while they are sitting there, so even if I say "good stay" I still don't look in her direction.
hmmm think i will experiment. the only thing with Jansen is that he is very food orientated (like most labs) and if there is food anywhere near by he doesnt really pay much attention.
think i could do with one of those treat bags might be better than my pocket.
Can I suggest that you don't experiement too much. Have a sit down, and a think about what you will find useful and what your trainer suggests (because after all its difficult if you have a regular trainer to go and use a different method in her classes).
Experimentation can be useful but infact can just confuse you. It is best to decide what you are going to do and stick to it unless someone shows you a great fat problem with that method. Your dog will only improve with consistancy and the problem with always 'keeping an open mind' is that your dog can be easily confused and you won't make progress swopping and changing methods.
For me I don't use a food treat for stays. For a young puppy, a treat as they sit is fine. Then do the stay ALWAYS returning to your dog and never ending it in a recall, and then use vocal and physcial praise as your release. I find food can tempt them into moving.
there are times vocal praise should be enough even at the start and the sort of exercise when actually you WANT to keep it all very low key and calm is precisely when just a stroke and a quiet - good girl - is better than them lunging at a treat.
It works at the saturday school & thats the school I like better & on saturday he can do a 2 minute stay without getting a treat, he always gets vocal praise.
The class on wednesday the trainer says to use treats & this is when he wont do the stay ! He just starts messing about !
I never use treats for Majic unless we are learning something new and food is the incentive but I only use it for a short while then it gets stopped.
Dexter is still having treats for some training as his idea of a 'sit' is to lie down and fall to sleep in the middle of training which is not quite what I want
I use treats most of the time for regular stuff, and all the time for new stuff...its the only way i can guarantee a result from Danny...i use the same method as jules for the stay.
Then do the stay ALWAYS returning to your dog and never ending it in a recall, and then use vocal and physcial praise as your release.
I've never trained a dog so all this is very new to me. Can I ask why you can't get a dog to stay as you walk away, then call them to you once they've proved they are staying for you? As I said, I don't know the first thing about training myself, and the only person I've been around who was starting to train their pup used to get her to stay and then call her to him (followed by praise and no treats). So I'm a little confused! How do you practice recall if this method is not a good practice?
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He just starts messing about !
