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Old 09-04-2011, 10:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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9.30pm last night we returned from a walk with my 7 year old lab last night at about 9.30pm, as always she was excited as she loves a good walk more than anything.
She went to bed as normal, then aprox 4am I was awoke by the sound of her claws on the laminate flooring. I assumed she needed out, which is unusual for her through the night.
Went into the living room & long story short she'd lost the use of her back left leg, after trying to calm her, her right leg had now too lost strength.
At our vets we were sent straight to the Small Animals Hospital in Glasgow. The staff were excellent, however the news was not good. She has no deep pain response in her left rear leg from infront of the hip down nor her tail,m & minimum response in her right rear paw.

the MRI scan showed as the vet predicted, 'bloodflow to spinal cord interuption' apparently the same condition that causes heart attacks/strokes in humans that don't drink or smoke.
she has a 50/50 chance of some sort of recovery but by the sound of it she's little chance of being the dog she was before.

We didn't realise until tonight, after returning from the walk last night she was bit on the tongue by a large wolf spider she tried to eat. She pulled her head back & sort of spat. Having lived in a few houses with these spiders I've found out some things-1 being that they hunt there food & paralyse it by nipping it. now this is normally other insects, but i remember reading an article years back where a small mouse was said to be paralysed by this species.
surely this could not cause my dogs problems?
last night i cleaned the spider & liquid of the floor & there was a large amount of liquid which was like a black tar. Now I'm thinking what if this substance was injeceted into the tongue where its sensitive with nerve endings/blood supply etc, then its into the bloodstream which forms a clot around the small amount of venom.

I know this is a long shot, but I just can't come to terms with my dog being so fit that this could suddenly happen- out of the last 3 days she's had about 4 hours worth of walking/running/swimming so you can see where i'm coming from.

I know this is a long post but we're all absolutely gutted & worried sick.
I'm eager to hear anyones opinions on the subject & if anyone has had a similar experiance.
thanks in advance for taking the time to read through this lengthy post

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I can't offer any advice I'm afraid I just wanted to say hi and I am sure someone on here will have an idea. Have you called you vet to ask? I would also do a general google search about the spider. To me it doesn't sound far fetched it sounds quite plausible - the spider may not be poisonous to us but to a dog in the right place e.g the tongue as you say it may well be.
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(Quote)We didn't realise until tonight, after returning from the walk last night she was bit on the tongue by a large wolf spider she tried to eat. She pulled her head back & sort of spat. Having lived in a few houses with these spiders I've found out some things-1 being that they hunt there food & paralyse it by nipping it. now this is normally other insects, but i remember reading an article years back where a small mouse was said to be paralysed by this species.
surely this could not cause my dogs problems?
last night i cleaned the spider & liquid of the floor & there was a large amount of liquid which was like a black tar. Now I'm thinking what if this substance was injeceted into the tongue where its sensitive with nerve endings/blood supply etc, then its into the bloodstream which forms a clot around the small amount of venom.(Quote)

I have absolutely no experience of this but that makes so much sense to me.. i would hope that there is an antidote...

Do not be fobbed off by the vet.

I hope you get it all sorted..

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I'll flag this up in the staff room for JohnW
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thanks very much Celine & Hayley - i thought I was maybe being a bit daft re- the spider so thanks for your encouragement.
The vet's been great, I'm phoning him tommorrow about the spider info, this one in particular was about the size of 2x 1 coins next to each other in length so a bit bigger than some but not eh biggest I've seen her eat.

she's got 2 weeks of anti inflamatorys/etc & manipulative exercise to show signs of improvement at the hospital. House is very strange without her :cry:

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I think most spiders work in a similar way, and as any one who has been bitten by a spider knows, they can really hurt!

But I dont think any spider here in the UK could do serious long term damage to a healthy Labrador sized dog.

What Glasgow are describing is a stroke like occurrence, and I'd say unconnected to the spider.

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I think most spiders work in a similar way, and as any one who has been bitten by a spider knows, they can really hurt!

But I dont think any spider here in the UK could do serious long term damage to a healthy Labrador sized dog.

What Glasgow are describing is a stroke like occurrence, and I'd say unconnected to the spider.

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Thanks for flagging this for John Wendy.

Yep John thats what I kept saying to myself, & now I've convinced myself I at least need to mention it to the vet hospital tommorrow.

When the vet called me with a progress report this evening he said what has happened to our dog is the same condition that causes a heart attack/stroke in someone that doesn't drink/ smoke/etc.

this is my last free post (Thanks for the info Wendy!) I'll definately be subscribing- tommorrow-thanks to everyone for thier posts & support so far-wish I'd came on here sooner-I'm slow at getting to grips with computer related things but this has been excellent so thanks all & talk to you soon!!

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I`m sorry to hear about Loopy Scott (love that name, so apt for Lab), I didn`t know we had Wold dpiders in this country!, I`ve just had a quick Google and it says they are not venomous to humans but I imagine with an animal generally being much smaller than us it could cause at least discomfort, although its possible that it was just coincidence that Loopy had tried to eat one the night before.

I hope the treatment at the vets goes well and she can be home with you again soon.

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I have read of people in the UK being hospitalised for days due to a spider bite (within the UK) so I certainly think it is worth mentioning the spider to your vet. Some things affect some more seriously than others, in any species.

There have also been a few dogs bitten by adders this week, which can be very serious - though I know you haven't mentioned that possibility.

Our oldie Jasper has had a couple of "episodes" with stroke-like symptoms, in recent months. The first time he lost the use of his back legs for a while. It is very scary but both times he has made a good recovery - although he is now 13, so a lot older than your dog. Keeping him calm and taking things slowly have worked well, though I don't know if it's the same thing. Our previous oldie went through similar.

Hope whatever is causing it, resolves itself soon :flower:
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