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Old 02-11-2016, 04:00 PM   #31 (permalink)
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Thank you for your replies. I feel that we are winning, but also don't feel ready yet that I can happily put down a whole bowl of kibble and he'll stay with firm stools, we'll have to transition back gradually.

There have been other signs of yeast, a little bit in his ear, and he has been scratching, biting at fur a little bit over past few months - but I can't see anything major on his skin/fur, no hot-spots, nor any really persistent scratching and itching that everyone seems to mention with yeast. I guess it's possible though that it's there and simply had more of an effect internally for him. That's my best guess at the moment. I have read that the hyperpigmentation on his belly could be fungal related.

Yes, the volume of stools has decreased recently, I guess as we're feeding less kibble. It's not terribly consistent with him, sometimes he does those smaller pellets which tend more towards signs of constipation, but overall everything's a lot firmer than it was.

He always used to go 4 (or occasionally 3) times a day (often 3 sets on his morning walk and 1 on evening street walk) but now he most often goes a couple of times in the morning and 1 in the evening. Some evenings he doesn't go at all. He is fed 3 times a day, at about 8.45am, 2pm and 8pm.

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Hi all, sorry it's me again with more tales of Oscar's stools! Sorry for another long post, but I think it's best to provide as much information as possible.

Following on from the above thread, we were fine for November, December and most of January, but he seems to have suffered a bit of a relapse of late.

A couple of Tuesdays ago he went out into the garden first thing and did a huge puddle of diarrhoea, hardly formed at all. He recovered quickly and was fine again shortly afterwards.

However, I was awoken this past Saturday morning at 3.30am to find that he'd done a couple of logs plus a lot of loose squirty stuff all inside his crate. Over the next 2.5 hours or so he went outside and did another couple of smaller un-formed piles. He was sick twice, once clear with gastric juice and the second was brown and had stomach remnants in it.
He was perfectly lively during Saturday and had a lovely walk but failed to poo on his evening walk as he normally does.

This morning he got me up at about 6.30am to do another few formed logs plus some stuff half-way between logs and a liquid pile. He's been OK since, although he's been whining quite a bit, a bit unsettled and didn't quite finish his breakfast - he kept stopping part-way through it for 30 seconds or so. Earlier on I thought I could hear some general gurgling noises from his stomach/intestines.

Now, the important point is that before both above incidents he had eaten quite a bit of rotting wood when out on walkies. It was all coming out in the stool and there was also some in the second sick pile. Do more experienced dog owners know if having too much soft rotting wood like that could actually cause really loose stool?

He last had it on Thurs morning, so is it possible that it would be the culprit for both Saturday and Sunday morning's loose stool - how long would it take for the tummy to settle back down again?

I hope it is wood and that we're not back to the previous routine of diarrhoea every 2 weeks or so for no apparent reason. He is fully wormed and had a Drontal at the end of January.

2 other points are that we've been gradually increasing the amount of kibble we're giving him and hence less cooked chicken/sweet potato. Ignoring the issue of allergies/intolerances for the moment, is it possible that his system simply can't cope with the larger amounts of kibble going through it??

I thought Arden Grange was supposed to be good, without any harmful additives, but I could swap brands I suppose. His food panel blood test said he's only intolerant to soya.

I've also been cutting back on his daily probiotic capsule and no longer give him the coconut oil. I didn't see them making much difference to him, but perhaps they were after all.

Any ideas/advice on the wood eating and how long that might affect a dog's tummy for?

Thanks, Jonathan

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Hi Jonathan,Are you sure Oscar is eating wood and not other dogs poo?All the problems you are having sound just like Martha.She wears a muzzle on walks,but she is clever and can remove it.She then runs and finds poo to eat ,and then suffers diarrhoea.We then give her slippery Elm with every meal,until poos are back to normal.She also has had fungal problems,but she is on Apoquel,which has changed her dramatically.Don't like her being on these drugs,but if it stops the problem,its better for her and us.I hope you can get to the bottom of Osacar's problem.Good luck.
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Old 05-02-2017, 06:25 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Yes, it's definitely wood as it comes out in his poo - and there was even more than normal in these 2 recent loose stool events. However, having been through all the previous diarrhoea episodes where the cause wasn't so obvious, I'm really worried that we're going to end up back there again.

I've just looked up Apoquel - it seems to be for dogs who itch a lot. He does scratch sometimes and did indeed go outside and rub his face along the wall having eaten his chicken and sweet potato lunch, but it's by no means all the time or a noticeable problem for him.

I guess it makes sense to me that too much wood can cause loose stools, but would it continue to make him upset and loose for all of Saturday and Sunday, surely his tummy should return to normal soon?

He was straining so many times on the walk this morning when only little droplets were coming out at best. He ended up squeezing so hard that a few drops of blood started coming out - not what I wanted to see. Her seems OK within himself, just wish we could go back to being pretty solid most of the time and cut down on the wood and kibble again to see what happens.
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Wood eating is not uncommon. Both of like to chew on wood and I've found bits in their stools. Heather branches are favourites, but I expect that tastes good anyway. (Several birds love the tender shoots of heather including Grouse.) But of course, not all wood is good to eat. Laurel for example is poisonous and so is other species.

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When any of mine have tummy problems [which has been often just lately] I am a boring mum and they have lead walks only until everything is settled down.

I think Margaret could be right about the possibility he is snaffling more than wood, also as the weather has been so wet the wood could be rotten also the cause of tummy upsets amongst other stuff if he is going into undergrowth.

Some of these runny tums can take a lot longer to fully clear up and the change back to normal diet should be taken slowly over many weeks if necessary to allow the lining in gut to repair and natural flora to replace.

Prokolin is worth keeping in the cupboard for the upset tum's, I get mine online [much cheaper than vets] but not a good idea to ver use it if there is an unknown reason for the upsets.

Hope he settles down soon.

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