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Old 11-02-2017, 06:57 AM   #1 (permalink)
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I've just signed up to this forum, great information.
I have read advertisements for Labrador training that say Labradors have a special key to their thinking. Sounds suspect to me. What do you think?

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Old 11-02-2017, 12:37 PM   #2 (permalink)
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They certainly have a special key to their thinking where food is concerned!

Problem now is that there are so many people training that to attract clients they need to come up with a selling point. That's not to say that the person is no good, for all I know they might be amazing.

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Darn... John beat me to it!
Special secret key has to be Food! Squuzy cheese, chicken, fishy stinky treats,... chips, sausages, ... erm... bread, pizza, ... erm... can't keep typing for ever.
Failing that a toy to hold in their mouth and waggle around with seems worth working for. Oh and failing that a smile and an ear stroke and a well placed kiss on the snout seems to work for some too
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Old 12-02-2017, 02:58 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Yes, food is the key. REsearch shows that Labrador Retrievers, and I think another breed may have been Beagles, have a gene mutation that makes them always hungry.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ed-treats.html

While the above is true I agree the ads you saw are probably just a marketing gimmick. You could check, ask the trainer about the new gene discovery. See if they even know about it.

Another thing that is key to Labs? Most really want to please you. Actually there are lots of keys, such as adequate exercise, love, positive reinforcement training, good health.
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Yes, food is the key. REsearch shows that Labrador Retrievers, and I think another breed may have been Beagles, have a gene mutation that makes them always hungry.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencete...ed-treats.html

While the above is true I agree the ads you saw are probably just a marketing gimmick. You could check, ask the trainer about the new gene discovery. See if they even know about it.

Another thing that is key to Labs? Most really want to please you. Actually there are lots of keys, such as adequate exercise, love, positive reinforcement training, good health.
And if all else fails, a little piece of lead, clipped to the left ear, preferably fired out of a 12 bore shotgun!

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And if all else fails, a little piece of lead, clipped to the left ear, preferably fired out of a 12 bore shotgun!

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OH John, You are so Norty!! 😱
We all know it's wine me, dine me, train and refine me!! with icle smelly treats - - - even if it's treat dust from the bottom of your pocket 😎 (the wine me bit just rhymes- - - Do Not give Dogs Alcohol 👿 )
Now to be serious (I can 😊 ) this advertising malarkey has "hissed" me off since I was an icle girl in the 50's, the soap I used didn't make me look more beautiful and then later the latest perfume didn't get "the bloke" I fancied!!. I've always been suspicious of advertising ever since. Now, with the Internet I can checkout reviews (even spot the ones written by their friends 😏 ) and, must confess, I have found the Bestest Trainer Ever 😀

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LOL, I just told a neighbour with a new puppy that I highly recommended a trainer we went to because she treats the people like dogs. You know how your dog is NOT disobeying out of spite, stupidity, willfullness, hate, dominance and any number of things we used to be told or may have thought? Well some trainers still treat the OWNER like they are stupid, willfull, etc. This trainer gave us the same benefit of the doubt she wanted us to give the dogs. If we did it wrong she figured she had to explain it a different way, give us another try, help us to learn. They are not all like that. Some trainers are great with the dogs and almost sociopaths with the humans. Geez, we took one class, previous Lab and I, and the trainer had one owner crying.
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Some trainers are more experienced with collies, some with gun dogs, some with guard dogs, if a trainer has a good knowledge of a particular breed they will understand better how their mind works and know how to work with it.

Labradors are gun dogs, they like to retrieve so a trainer who uses gun dog principles will probably understand them much better than someone who is more used to herding or guarding breeds.

And, as above, most Labradors can easily be bought with a bit of food!
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Until convinced otherwise, I'm firmly in the camp of calling bull on breed-specialist trainers. Apart from a handful of exceptions of innate traits that are totally unique to a breed, such as retrievers retrieving, pointers pointing, the herding and eye work of the collie, temporary deafness and pack working when scent hounds are tracking - they are all dogs at the end of the day.

And exceptions aside, all dogs have exactly the same repertoire of behaviours. The only difference between breeds is the threshold (level of stimulation) at which those behaviours are expressed and how easily they can be harnessed through training.

In fact, given that the Labrador is the UK’s most popular breed, I’d imagine it is difficult to find any trainer in this country who hasn’t done oodles of work with them! I would speculate that a lot of the attraction to a breed specific trainer goes something like this:

Friend has a handful of a German Shepherd. He barks at everything, is very territorial and his propensity toward guarding and aggression is plain to see. It's textbook stuff that you don't need a breed expert to know this. And any good trainer should know how to work on those issues, regardless of any magical insight into the breed or not.

My friend bought into dominance and punishment from a certain TV show. Then he went on German Shepherd forums and found owners saying yeah, they are very dominant and need a firm hand. Find a "balanced" trainer (the latest buzzword to make trainers who still use punishment in their toolset sound more palatable). You must show your german shepherd that you’re the pack leader blah blah blah.

So he goes looking for German Shepherd trainer who agrees and tells him what he wants to hear. Friend thinks great! I've found a trainer who really understands GSD's! He's got 5 of his own! My hero!.... I think FFS! All you've found is a terrible trainer whom hasn’t moved on in thirty years, still believing in the debunked concept of dominating your dog, with no morals against dishing out punishment and harm because they don't have the skills to do things through positive reinforcement.
"oh but german shepherds aren't food obsessed like labradors so won't take treats" - WRONG! There are solutions to this!
"oh but you don't want to be dependant on a treat bag for the rest of your life" - WRONG! There are solutions to this too!

I agree that Gundog trainers should know Labradors very well (assuming we think there is any merit in that) - but be warned! They have a reputation for being one of the last sectors of dog training to embrace modern hands-off positive training, and it might be a challenge to find one whom has moved on to better ways.

I know for a fact that my local gundog trainer isn't positive. So if we're talking gundog training, the first question to ask any is not "do you know Labradors well" the question is "are you a positive gundog trainer?"!

To quote from my behaviourist idol Dr Ian Dunbar :
If you want to train a dog for agility, find an agility trainer.
If you want to train a dog for gundog work, find a gundog trainer.
If you want to train a security dog, find a security dog trainer.
And if you want to train a PET DOG, find a PET DOG trainer!

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To quote from my behaviourist idol Dr Ian Dunbar :
If you want to train a dog for agility, find an agility trainer.
If you want to train a dog for gundog work, find a gundog trainer.
If you want to train a security dog, find a security dog trainer.
And if you want to train a PET DOG, find a PET DOG trainer!
Except, very few pet dog people become trainers. They are pet dog owners because for one reason or another they want nothing other than a pet dog. Almost invariably become trainers because they become interested in a particular discipline and were prepared to put the hours in to train, and also to attend training seminars and the like. I personally became a trainer through competitive Obedience, attended handler courses under Andy Anderson, John Singleton, Paddy Burn and several more. (My idol in those days was Barbara Hills.) It was only later that I moved into gundog work. But having trained both, I have to say, gundog work has far more in common with pet work than Obedience. Competitive Obedience demands the utmost concentration for probably 6 minutes where a working gundog needs control for 7 or 8 hours at a time. Really, a 100 meters sprint against a marathon. We do not demand the absolute concentration or precision either on our part or on the part of the dog that is required for competitive obedience. Could you imagine doing Obedience footwork patterns when out for a stroll with your dog?

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